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Looking at Tokyopop (Again?)

David Doub - Friday, September 1, 2006 - 03:14

Was reading a interview of Stuart Levy, CEO of Tokyopop over at Publisherweekly.com and found some interesting and telling comments in the interview amidst the positive PR speak.

http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6366455.html?nid=2789

"It's a wonderful book called Parasyte. It's one of the first books we ever published. But there's a problem. We published it early on and our rights expired last year. It didn't sell in the States at all."

"One of our guys recommended Sailor Moon. It was fortunate that I didn't say no and thankfully that was the one that got us into a position to build a market."

I find this interesting because Tokyopop always seems to pride themselves on how much they understand teenage girls and the teenage market. When in actuality, they had a more shotgun approach original and they just tried to find a hit with a scattering of different genres and stories. That does show an important lesson that if you want to be commercially successful you shouldn't pin yourself down to just one product, you should diversify. Yes it's a risk, but in the case it's obvious the risk has paid off. But now they struck lucky once with establishing the Shojo market in the US, they seem content to rest on their laurels and not going exploring again.
"But the next challenge is how to get to young boys, because I'm cool with the young girls. I've got no complaints. They're really smart, they know the topics and they appreciate the characters. But we've got to get the crazy boys. Boys are reading manga but not to the degree of girls. It's still typically 60% to 70% girls."

As I said that Tokyopop isn't currently into exploring, this actually proves it more. Viz is the company that started Shonen Jump and started get the "young boys" market going in the US. Now that Viz has shown there is a market for such things, it's only logical for other companies like Tokyopop to follow. But that's not innovation, a sign of a leader, that's just following trends.

"My original dream was always to make films. I thought I could be a bridge between Hollywood and Asia, especially Japan. Manga's so exciting it's like watching a movie while you read it. When your dream is to make films, you learn early on that if you're going to make it in Hollywood, you've got to have something that other people don't have."
"The rights to IP in Japan are more fragmented and that can stop a title from being cleared in a way that it could be turned into a Hollywood picture."

Now this point is interesting because how it perhaps shows the thoughts behind why they're doing American Manga. I'll touch on that after another quote below. What is also interesting is that this is a common tactic that American comics are also trying to do, using Hollywood money to be a financial success. While that may be fine from a business standpoint, I think that it's disrespectful to Manga and Comics. Comics and Manga are their own medium of entertainment and is just as valid as Film. Yes film makes more money, but that's because it's more "mainstream" so it's more habit for people to go to movies than it is for them to buy a comic. A true innovator wouldn't chase after the money, but find a way to bring the money to them. Why bow to Hollywood because people are more trained to go to movies? Why not break them of their programming and show them beauty and value of Manga/Comics. If they still go prefer movies, that's fine, but at least you tried and just didn't followed the path of lesser resistance in some quest to make money. That at the very least is the "punk" thing to do.

"And just so the whole world knows, we are deficit financing this whole thing. What that means is that we have not made a dime on this initiative because it's expensive to create content from scratch. We're doing this because I believe in this group of creators. I believe in this generation. Even if people say there is no existing market, I still believe the market potential and audience is absolutely there. This is an investment, and unless we run out of money, we're not stopping."

I find this interesting because it raises several questions about American Manga. Is Tokyopop paying the creators too much without first figuring out how much they can afford to pay a creator based on the profitability of the book? If you say only make $2 a book and sell only 20,000, and you already paid the creator 40k, then opps there's no profit. It also raises the question, is the price point of an unknown creator too much? For a comic book, $3 for a 22 page story isn't that much of an investment if the story turns out to suck. A 160 page book at $10 is a bit more of an investment of time and money consider you don't know it sucks. Maybe Tokyopop should have a regular running anthology, so they could get a gauge on what new story is popular. Yes I know they do the Rising Stars of Manga books, but those never have the same artists in them, so only really get one snapshot of what people think about the creators. An anthology would give more data to work with and to hedge your bets, they could put Japanese work in there too (also a good way to test lesser known japanese titles).

But going back to the comment about Tokyopop making movies, helps explain why they're doing Original Manga. If their hit Japanese titles are too difficult to get made into movies, what would be the next step? Why make titles that you own the rights too? That's right, the Original Manga program is a way to make original properties that can be used in other media. Just look at all the stuff they've done with Princess AI? Toys, t-shirt, ect.

"I was a music fanatic; really a music snob—I broke up with a girlfriend because I caught her listening to Phil Collins [laughter]. I was a big music geek and I loved film."
"I call myself a DJ--a good DJ remixes, samples, creates and sometimes simply plays other people's stuff, passively introducing cool shit. Other times you're making your own stuff from scratch. That's who I am. "

Just a wild guess, but I think that Stuart Levy is DJ Milky.


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I believe he is DJ Milky.

Rachel the Great; Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 19:33

I believe he is DJ Milky. There was an online giggle-fest about how he was too shy or too proud to use his real name on the Princess Ai books.

I've also heard some rather disturbing accounts of how TP's contracts are set up much like the music industry's (i.e. the artists can get screwed if they don't watch themselves). At least in music you have the chance to "make it big." We don't have such wild, multi-million dollar successes in comics. At least not yet. So why is TP using a business model that doesn't apply to its trade's supply and demand?

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Re: I believe he is DJ Milky.

David Doub; Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 21:38

My old comic art teacher, Sonny Strait (http://sonnystrait.biz/) got a publishing deal with Tokyopop and he provided some insight into the contact process with them.

He stated that it took him 6 months of contract negotiation with Tokyopop before he signed. And he hammered out every little detail down to him keeping the original art (apparently it's default on the contract for Tokyopop to own the original art). From his experience he surmised that the reason a lot of the these younger creators aren't getting better deals is because they don't know how to negotiate. Tokyopop is apparently open to contract changes, but you have to know what to ask for because of course Tokyopop isn't going to tell you how to get more out of them. So my advice is that if you do get into a contact situation, try to get a hold of lawyer or someone of that degree that at least knows the routine of getting more out of a contract.

But on why Tokyopop is doing original manga like they are, I think they're banking on getting original properties that they can use in other media, mainly movies. They've alread got some original manga in newspapers and they make toys, shirts and other merchandise with others, so I think they just want to have properties that they fully own and not just have the US publishing rights. Comics are an easy way to show a concept, show it has some potential, and then sell it to other media companies.

Rachel the Great wrote:
I believe he is
I've also heard some rather disturbing accounts of how TP's contracts are set up much like the music industry's (i.e. the artists can get screwed if they don't watch themselves). At least in music you have the chance to "make it big." We don't have such wild, multi-million dollar successes in comics. At least not yet. So why is TP using a business model that doesn't apply to its trade's supply and demand?


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Re: I believe he is DJ Milky.

Rachel the Great; Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 23:10

It also helps if you make professional friends in the comicking community and privately ask them what they think of a contract.

David Doub wrote:
But on why Tokyopop is doing original manga like they are, I think they're banking on getting original properties that they can use in other media, mainly movies. They've alread got some original manga in newspapers and they make toys, shirts and other merchandise with others, so I think they just want to have properties that they fully own and not just have the US publishing rights. Comics are an easy way to show a concept, show it has some potential, and then sell it to other media companies.

Still, it could be seen as a rather devious move by TokyoPop: grasping at the rights of talented creators while dangling publishing deals in front of them. I can see why they want to make money. I'm just not so sure I agree with it.

Tokyo Pop reminds me of those guys who draw comics who say they are just using it as a stepping stone to get into movies... Only, those guys never do. They make comics for ever and ever, all the while thinking they are somehow above what their work is.

Perhaps TP should focus more on doing a good job with comics and merchandise first, taking care of its stable of creators, and think about hollywood and television second? Seriously, once book publishers catch on, the bidding war for decent American creators will be on. If, that is, they ever do catch on! lol TokyoPop: Cultivate loyalty in your creators and readers.

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Re: I believe he is DJ Milky.

David Doub; Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 23:48

Well if you listen to folks like Mark Millar (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82502) then creators are already being snatched up at what he thinks is an alarming rate (as in the good creators are being taken faster than they can be replaced, but I think that's because he's underestimating the new crop of creators out there).

I almost think the issue here is not just money but the classic low self esteem issue that comics has had in this country. Movies are consider legitimate art despite the amount of crap that is turned out, while comics has been seen as a mindless children entrainment that only socially retarded 40 year old men read. That's obviously isn't the case anymore, but why does the comic industry keep looking for validation from the movie industry that comics aren't just for social misfits anymore? Instead of chasing after the money that Hollywood has, how about we spend our time getting people to spend some of that money on comics instead. Comics should be a competitor of movies and not a farm league. Even with the glut of Superheroes and Shojo comics out there, comics still consistently deliver better entertainment that Hollywood does.

So basically why does Tokyopop want to get into things like movies? Because it's an outdate mode of thinking that needs to be changed if comics are going to evolve and succeed.

Rachel the Great wrote:

Still, it could be seen as a rather devious move by TokyoPop: grasping at the rights of talented creators while dangling publishing deals in front of them. I can see why they want to make money. I'm just not so sure I agree with it.

Tokyo Pop reminds me of those guys who draw comics who say they are just using it as a stepping stone to get into movies... Only, those guys never do. They make comics for ever and ever, all the while thinking they are somehow above what their work is.

Perhaps TP should focus more on doing a good job with comics and merchandise first, taking care of its stable of creators, and think about hollywood and television second? Seriously, once book publishers catch on, the bidding war for decent American creators will be on. If, that is, they ever do catch on! lol TokyoPop: Cultivate loyalty in your creators and readers.


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